In regards to girls in Lingerie at parties

[T.Beck]

Metromedia07 posted this article from Bassnectar's blog a couple weeks ago in another thread. Then in the Kandy nights thread the little dress code/discussion on girls in Lingerie made me think of the article. Here is a part of it. For the full article go here http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/dd65 ... 4927f17a75 I thought about all the girls in lingerie at parties and the go go dancers that danced at parties in Utah and how it made them "popular" and raised their social status, and how they were sadly given free drugs etc etc. On the contrary I saw how some of the DJs and promoters there would use their "wealth and scene status" to take advantage of and sleep with some of these types of girls. As a whole I still LOVE the electronic dance music community and scene, but there are for sure parts I don't like.

Anyways, here it is, I found it interesting.
Discuss

"At last weekend’s festival, I saw a theme that has been growing over the past few years as the West Coast breaks/hip hop scene recreates our mainstream culture’s standards that empower the rich and powerful and look down upon those who don’t fit the mold. The more those who don’t fit the mold change to fit the standards of the elite group, the more they are accepted by the culture as a whole. The pressure is immense to leave those with undesirable characteristics behind, even if it means oneself. Almost mindlessly and helplessly, so many of us take on these negative attitudes and spread them throughout our subculture, often rejecting our own identities, values and self worth in order to be seen and accepted by others. It is a way of life here in our little culture that I’m not proud to be a part of. I am looking for ways to create some change, in the face of the powerful forces that influence our lives with harmful and negative energy. How sad that we who try and create communities that differ from typical American values, end up embodying the same unhealthy attitudes and repeating the same destructive patterns.

To boil it down to 5 simple questions:
1) Is looking "hot" a primary value of this scene?
2) Does looking "hot" (as defined by appearance - age, body type and dress) give one more access and power in this scene?
3) Does helping people look "hot" and creating opportunity for people to look "hot" give one more access and power in this scene?
4) Does having more money make it easier for one to look "hot"?
5) Have you noticed a trend (and i'm sure there are exceptions) that the "hotter" the person (which i would argue ends up correlating with social status or popularity, since we try and surround ourselves with as many hot people as possible) the less open they are to everyone who walks by, but in contrast the less hot people are more open (especially to the hot ones)? "

[Aaron Liven]

1) Is looking "hot" a primary value of this scene?

"Primary value" no, but it's fun, fun to look at, and really does not do much (if any) harm. However, if a "primary value" is growing attendance at events, having a bunch of attractive people (especially women) around defintely helps that.

2) Does looking "hot" (as defined by appearance - age, body type and dress) give one more access and power in this scene?


As in life, yes. That is just plain and simple human nature. It might not give as much access or power as in other "scenes" or as the world in general, but absolutely it does on some level.

3) Does helping people look "hot" and creating opportunity for people to look "hot" give one more access and power in this scene?

This question is confusing. So would a promoter who encourages scant dress and promotes less clothing at their events have more power or access? Possibly, but not for that reason. They would have more people or access from creating good events with high attendance. See my answer to question 1.


4) Does having more money make it easier for one to look "hot"?

Yep! Clothes, diet foods, hair/makeup, gym memberships, etc. MONEY MONEY MONEY!


5) Have you noticed a trend (and i'm sure there are exceptions) that the "hotter" the person (which i would argue ends up correlating with social status or popularity, since we try and surround ourselves with as many hot people as possible) the less open they are to everyone who walks by, but in contrast the less hot people are more open (especially to the hot ones)? "

I think this question/statement is just stereotyping. I do not think how attractive someone is has a definitive and absolute bearing on their personality or how outgoing they are.

[manic]

You guys have way too much free time to come up with this stuff lol

[Aaron Liven]

Hey whoa whoa whoa! I was just answering questions.

[Supreme14]

It doesn't matter what scene you are in. Some people are douche bags, some aren't.

Lingerie on kids under 18 is asking for trouble.

If they are 18 and up, they can wear whatever they want or don't want.

[T.Beck]

Discussion, precisely what I intended to create..... In the rest of the article the guy actually admits that he himself judges based on appearance. I think everyone does to a point, when I used to put on punk/emo shows in college when I was walking around on campus I wouldn't waste my flyers giving them to anyone and everyone, I'd give them to people I knew, and to kids that looked like they'd like something like that, which is judging them. I think there is nothing wrong with making judgments based on appearance, its part of human reason. If you see a dude with long hair, wearing a t shirt with a pot leaf, its probably fair to judge that he smokes herb.

The link between music and fashion and human nature is intriguing to me. When I was 14/15 I was attracted to punk rock because it seemed to go against the norm, I went through a stage where I wore a chain around my neck and wrist, combat boots, silly hair cut, patches of bands on clothes. Then I realized that though I liked the music that wasn't really who I as a person was. I thought about the irony of punk rock being non conformity, but how much of conformists those in that scene were to what they thought was "punk rock"

When I discovered "Raves" I really liked the fact that it attracted people of all different "young adult stereotypes" who normally don't hang out, to all be partying together and hugging each other. I myself never at all got into the whole "dressing up" thing, I thought Kandy was stupid, that HUGE JNCO jeans and UFOs were ugly as were visors. Though I never dressed up myself I thought it was awesome that people did. Anybody and everybody could go to a Rave and not worry about being picked on, made fun of, laughed at for being different, etc. etc. everyone was welcome, its great.

Now with the emergence of lingerie on young girls, and hearing some girls talk about that they think that is "Rave clothes" and what they are "supposed to wear" it seems like they are missing the point that at an electronic dance music event there is no "Norms" they should not feel that they "are supposed to" dress like anything but rather just be whoever they are and dress however they want. I personally think the girls that create their own unique "sexy outfits" or costumes are much more creative and original and "sexy" than girls that just put on some victoria's secret.

Back about "hot" people, people that are attractive just have a lot of advantages in life in general, but at the same time they have downsides like people only valuing them for their looks, or sex. I have learned over the years that some people that in my first judgment of their appearance look like stuck up bitches are actually some of the nicest most down to earth people and have become good friends of mine.

Ok, enough.

[T.Beck]

One of the comments someone posted on the page with the full article is interesting he says: "I have been partying since 91' and its the same now, as it was then as it was 10 years ago, sex, drugs and techno.

I see his point, I always laugh when I hear old jaded ravers talk about how kids these days come just to get fucked up and I want to be like "they did then too, and where even more open, then they put vicks in a freakin white mask, now they at least try hiding it in a bandanna"

I also disagree though because I never touched a drug till I was 26, and even then sparsely, and I had been planning on saving myself for marriage most my life so it wasn't about sex for me either.

[Dan Kaye]

who cares. It gives gives the scene flavor and uniqueness.

[DraftHorsePower]

I'm not especially a fan of all the girls running around in undies and bras.... Yeah, I guess it's "sexy" or whatever, but come on, let's be a little more creative with our outfits now shall we? It doesn't leave much to the imagination. The fun undies are supposed to be the surprise haha

But to each their own. Trends come and go. This one will end up going at some point and there will be another one to replace it.

[Aaron Liven]

Trends come and go. This one will end up going at some point and there will be another one to replace it.

Like male fluffies perhaps

[revant]

Like male fluffies perhaps

Perhaps my generation will bring that along hehe, or not

[McCabe Reed]

I'm going to start wearing fluffy speedo's, creepy old man slippers, and the famous Manzier("The Bro") at all shows now.

[papa bozak]

I'm going to start wearing fluffy speedo's, creepy old man slippers, and the famous Manzier("The Bro") at all shows now.

Sadly, Mac, I think I can see you doing that lol

[Ryan_Duley]

Do it Mac!!!!! Boise could use some more tongue-n-cheek male junk flaunting!

[DraftHorsePower]

Mac... I will totally make you a fluffy banana hammock if you promise to wear it to a party!

Then afterwards you can always go pubin'..... easy access!

[El Gonzo]

I don't think it should be a question of who it offends (since self expression will always offend SOMEBODY) but whether girls are really having **FUN*** when they go out after all that time getting ready. And can they freaking DANCE in that getup?!!
If you look all perfect and are dreadfully boring to be around, then well, good job with that I guess.
I see girls that obviously stressed over their outfit, or are trying to rock undies & hobble around on heels they can't handle and it makes me wish more were brave enough to define their own "hot." The whole image thing can be harmful to the scene when people don't know how to look past it. Are you wearing that outfit, or is it wearing YOU? Hot is when you feel good and it shows. That should be encouraged as much as the obvious appreciation of having the eye candy around. If you see a girl getting down in a t-shirt & sneakers, give her props!

Not that I'm any fashion expert. My clothes usually consist of some odd mix of second hand and whatever won't catch on fire or my boobs won't fall out of (dancing around in a towel in Robert's basement doesn't count.)
Point being, my fun level is usually directly proportionate to how comfortable my shoes are.
Rock out with your whatever out, just get up & dance!

xoxo,
El Gonzo

[stormshadow]

El Gonzo for the win!!!!
...that is just rad

[tink2008]

If you are offended by what people are doing or wearing in "the scene" then you should find a new one. We are about acceptance BUT I agree if you are under age then everyone else could be held responsible for what you are doing so until you are of age respect your scene and don't get us in trouble.

El Gonzo: I am feeling a towel party in the mix... you in?

[tink2008]

What about you coconut tits?

[tink2008]

...snappy pants, it could be a sunday funday activity Wanna join?

[El Gonzo]

Snappy pants... is that what it sounds like?
There definitely needs to be more coconut tits!
Picturing all our friends in towels makes me giggle.

[Aaron Liven]

Snappy pants! As far as I know, I'm the only official snappy pant owner. We'll have to do some shopping.

[revant]

Snappy pants store raid anybody?

[T.Beck]

I liked what my friend Mandy said about the Bassnectar show in SLC on Fri.

"Holy fuckin yeayuh Bassnectar killed it, I love glitchy-dubstepy-goodness. It was nice to not see many prostitots, burners are equally as unclothed but at least they look like they put some effort into it "

Thats my thoughts too.

[Zero Point]

If you don't like it go play bingo with the geezers! I will agree there should not be prostitot's at events and no damn animals esp. dogs, it is not a safe or responsible place for either.